New Captains

Lavi wrote:All in all, it ain't up to you. The testing is already going to be given to them anyway again after things settle down, you can't stop it. I still keep with what I said, because it's only fair to those who worked hard to get the captain rank they hold right now.

I'm going to add this disclaimer first, as we usually avoid this, but at the moment is needed, and the disclaimer is that I say this not out of malice, but out of fact:

Actually, we CAN stop the exams. For those given captain ranks now, we will not be retesting them, as it is completely pointless at this juncture.

When the notice for captains was first put up, at that point, the whole idea of fair to those who worked hard was out the window. How is it fair to give someone a captaincy based solely on a test? IT ISN'T!!!

But the fact is it was agreed we needed more captains, thus Ruru set off and advertised.

So the whole arguement of fair is a moot point.

Secondly, what about the captains we have now? I don't recall anyone spending months as a recruit; moving up seat by seat; or taking a test for that matter.
The truth is everyone works on the basis of pass/fail. NO ONE is immune to being removed from their spot; thus old captains and new ones alike have to give their best to keep their spot, therefore your second point is validated already.

Third, exactly where do we get the temp captains from? Will they magically appear or should we use NPCS?
Well since magic doesn't solve it, NPCS are the only answer; but who will play them? Me and Ruru? We already have to many npcs going now to keep up with, and that is just so that we can keep things rolling when it gets slow, and people won't take off. Their are to many NPCs as is, so the only real choice would be to have no captain, and that would be exactly what we had before the decision to add captains, which would make everything we have done over the last few months absolutely pointless. That concludes that arguement.

Lastly, this was a decision made by the admins, and I say that not just because I agreed to it, but RURU did as well. The decision, if you had read my previous post and gave some thought to it, out of good old fashioned practicality. We have to many spots to fill, and to many tests to give and judge, because let's be honest; in the end it would end up with ruru or myself giving an answer after reading everything, and right now we are stretched thin just trying to keep the site active.

Now as I stated in the last post, the idea is that we now have filled the spots; from here on in, the exam is a must and thats that. And you see in the time between when we have to give another exam and now, we will be able to refine it so that we don't just have to give part, then a long wait, then more..etc... and finally the applicant quits because we can't get our ---- together long enough to be able to conduct the exam properly.

the way this place has always worked is as a democracy. And that is good and should remain, without question. However there are times when those tasked with managing things have to make decisions without consulting others, and this was one of those moments. in the end, even my say so is limited to RURU's word, so we all have someone to answer to, so to speak.

The last thing I am going to say is this; While I do not need or even feel the need to justify the admin decision to anyone, I have chosen to do so. None of us have ever made a decision that wasn't in the best interest of the forum. We may not get everything right, but we keep in mind why we are doing it. I'm sorry if anyone feels that we make decisions because we are lazy or just don't want to deal with something, I'm sorry because that's not our problem. What is our problem is that we have to do what's best for the forum, popular or not. Now I appreciate the thoughts on whether or not anyone thinks it's a good idea, but in the end, it's going to stand as is, basically because there is no logical reason not to; and frankly I cannot see how this is a major enough issue to waste space on a thread when a couple of PMs could have resolved it. Now I've been around here longer than any of you guys and say that because it means I've had time to watch: a lot. If We want to talk about Fair, then what we should do is strip all captains and have them go through the exam to get their spot back. That is the only true FAIR thing to do. But it wouldn't make sense, because I personally do not feel anyone in a captains spot right now shouldn't be there. I happen to like the job they are doing in their roles and it's working for our RP section.

Now is there any other complaints?

I'm sorry, but i'm sticking with my views. And with how everyone talks about getting things moving, it's kinda hard to do that, when nobody tries to do anything. In my honest opinion, i think everyone should have thought ahead and prepared for something to happen like this because nobodies doing anything. I haven't been able to do anything and i give my opinion and i get chewed out. But oh well.

For the record, you aren't getting chewed out; Thus the disclaimer.

I agree There is more that should have been thought out in advance as far as the captain exams go, but the fact is that the need for the exams didn't arise until after we had so many people applying, so it's not just a lack of thinking on peoples part, it's just pure dumb luck as well.

The point of my long post was this though; this discussion isn't relevant to anything now because there was a problem and it was adressed; end of story really. If you still feel like sticking to your view that's cool; no worriea. Just let it go from here for now because the decision is going to stand.

The biggest problem we have now that has to be addressed is the stop in this rp. I know some people are with me in trying to keep moving, but we are stuck for now.

Basically we have two choices and I'll leave it up to everyone to decided:

1.) we wait for ruru to post and guide things how she wants it, as well as our missing players show up and post.

2.) I'll take over for now an move things ahead, though at the moment it may not be exactly as ruru had wanted it laid out, since I know most of her ideas but not all.

So let's just drop the captain thing because it's just redundant to keep on with it since it's over; lets now focus on what we can do to get this rp going and decide the course.

Which path do you guys want?