I just wonder if Zanpaktou was make by Generation of other Soul Reaper or did come from with in there heart. I am only up to episode 51 so please forgive my ignorance if it already explain in some other episode. if not, then i would like to know what you guys think.
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oooh erm trying to avoid spoiling here... erm its a sort of "soul" made weapon... ack just keep watching! XD
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Thanks Bean, I'm on Bleach Episode 66 and it seam that all the soul reaper have the same same Zanpaktou but change it ability when they use there soul power. But thanks for the info. Can u at lease tell me what episode when i find out. hee hee
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bwhahaha your in filler territory... yourichi gives a pretty good explanation about them back in soul society arc when she trained ichigo for bankai
ok heres the simplish explanation for ya:
youve got your 3 forms, basic sealed zanpakuto which is made from the users soul and every shingami has, when they learn their souls name then its shikai form (Renji's whippy like sword for instance) and finally bankai form which they get from controlling their soul in the real world (when ichigo beat the cool sunglasses wearing guy for instance)
sorry if thats a tad bit confusing for you clickty click below for a pretty detailed explanation
http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Zanpakuto
ok heres the simplish explanation for ya:
youve got your 3 forms, basic sealed zanpakuto which is made from the users soul and every shingami has, when they learn their souls name then its shikai form (Renji's whippy like sword for instance) and finally bankai form which they get from controlling their soul in the real world (when ichigo beat the cool sunglasses wearing guy for instance)
sorry if thats a tad bit confusing for you clickty click below for a pretty detailed explanation
http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Zanpakuto
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Thank you Lord, In your deepest dealt. If needed u can call my name and I will serve. hee hee, Have a good day. :)
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Though, even when you read that and it says that they come from the owner's soul, one of the movies makes that REALLLY confusing... It just doesn't make sense to me because of Diamond Dust Rebellion >.<
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Well, the diamond dust rebellion kind of confused me a bit, but in a way, I kind of understood it to. The guy who had Hitsugaya's sword wanted to be friends with him. They were both in the same area when Hitsugaya got Hyorinmaru. However, the other one was a dark blue version and hitsu's was a light blue. I understand where your confused. ^_^
Also, with each soul reaper, it depends on who they are. For example, nobody is able to grab someones zanpakto and copy there techniques. Like if Aizen wanted Hiroinemaru, he wouldn't be able to do that.
Also, with each soul reaper, it depends on who they are. For example, nobody is able to grab someones zanpakto and copy there techniques. Like if Aizen wanted Hiroinemaru, he wouldn't be able to do that.
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- Each Zanpakutō is a manifestation of its owner's soul, and has a unique name that a Shinigami is required to learn in order to use its Shikai and Bankai. As such, each Zanpakutō has unique abilities that match their owner's characteristics and personality, and their names usually hint to what these powers may be.
A Zanpakutō spirit is part of its owner's soul, and they often share the same personality traits. At the same time, they are also independent, and thus, can be considered a Shinigami's partner in battle. Because they are part of their owner's soul, a Zanpakutō cannot be replaced, though it will slowly regenerate if broken.[1] As a Shinigami gains power, their Zanpakutō can change form by allowing the inner being to manifest itself to a greater degree in the outside world. The sword and the inner being are synonymous to each other. The spirit of a Zanpakutō dwells within an internal world, most naturally the wielder's soul, which is different for each Shinigami. The Zanpakutō spirit can normally only be seen by its wielder.
Though rare, it is not impossible for more than one soul to be attuned to the same spirit. In such cases, ancient law of the Soul Society will not allow two beings to wield the same Zanpakutō, in which case, they must duel for ownership of the spirit, with the winner gaining it and the loser being sentenced to death.
No matter what form (or size) a Zanpakutō takes, it is always virtually effortless for its owner to wield because it is a part of its owner's soul.[2] Shinigami with vast spiritual power and who are unable to control it have larger Zanpakutō, as Ichigo Kurosaki did when he first became a Shinigami. Isshin Kurosaki, Ichigo's father, explains at one point that high-level Shinigami must be capable of maintaining and suppressing the size of their sword. Otherwise, they would, effectively, be forced to wield swords the size of skyscrapers.[3]
As stated, a Zanpakutō is a being unto itself and tends to be highly temperamental. Its mood is determined by how it is treated by its Shinigami as well as its overall personality. This allows a Shinigami to partially determine whether it will achieve its true power or not. For example, Yumichika Ayasegawa normally releases his Zanpakutō with the name Fuji Kujaku (Wisteria Peacock), even though its true name is Ruri'iro Kujaku (Azure Peacock), knowing that its favorite color is azure and that its least favorite is wisteria purple. He does this so that its true power is not seen. Since his Zanpakutō hates the nickname, it becomes moody and only releases a fraction of its power. This allows him to pass off his Zanpakutō as a simple melee-type rather than what it truly is, a Kidō-type, something that is unacceptable in the 11th Division due to an unspoken rule that all Zanpakutō in the 11th must be melee-types. Only when its true name is uttered is its full potential achieved.[4]
A Shinigami may find it hard to achieve its Zanpakutō's Shikai or Bankai due to its personality, which is a reflection of his or her own personality. Communication is key as seen evident with Kenpachi Zaraki, who has little or no communication with his Zanpakutō and therefore doesn't know its name, making its true potential not realized. This inability causes his power to damage his Zanpakutō rather than allowing it to truly help him.
Each Zanpakutō has the power to send Pluses to the Soul Society, purify Hollows, and transform the Zanpakutō itself into more elaborate and powerful forms. Not all Shinigami can hear the name of their Zanpakutō and thus can not achieve the higher tiers of power. In the anime-exclusive Zanpakutō Unknown Tales arc, it is revealed that every Zanpakutō has an instinct. This is both good and bad; while it grants them a great amount of power, those with the right abilities can awaken this instinct and use it to manipulate them, essentially controlling their minds. This is how Muramasa is controlling the Zanpakutō of Soul Society.
Depending upon the Shinigami's ability to communicate with and control their Zanpakutō's spirit, a Zanpakutō can manifest itself in two additional forms and revert to a sealed state. These two forms, known as Shikai and Bankai, are akin to "upgrades" for the Zanpakutō, giving it abilities far beyond that of its simple use as a sword. Shinigami usually carry their Zanpakutō in the sealed state and activate the released forms as necessary. A Zanpakutō will return to its sealed state when its wielder is knocked unconscious.[5]
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Most Zanpakutō look like regular katana, with slight variations between them as one would expect between different swords. There variations are commonly:
* Katana (刀): The term katana may be applied to the standard-size, moderately-curved, Japanese sword with a blade length of greater than 60 cm (23.6 inches). The katana is characterized by its distinctive appearance: a curved, slender, single-edged blade, a circular or squared guard, and a grip long enough to accommodate two hands.
* Wakizashi (脇差 (わきざし); meaning "side insertion"): A short blade between 30 and 60 cm (12 and 24 inches), with an average of 50 cm (20 inches). It is similar to but shorter than a katana, and usually shorter than the kodachi (小太刀 (こだち); meaning "small sword"). The wakizashi was usually worn together with the katana. When worn together the pair of swords were called daishō, which translates literally as "large and small". The katana was often called the long sword and the wakizashi the companion sword.
* Nodachi (野太刀 (のだち); meaning "field sword"): The nodachi was more difficult to wield due to its size and weight. The length of the nodachi's hilt varied between twelve to thirteen inches (30 to 33 centimeters). Its cutting capability and range exceeds that of a katana, due to its weight and size.
In addition to the upgraded forms, the sealed form of a Zanpakutō can also be radically altered, though such alterations are purely cosmetic and usually don't offer any significant advantage in battle; one exception is Ikkaku Madarame's Hōzukimaru, whose hilt stores a blood-clotting ointment.[6] Zanpakutō can also be disguised as other objects, though such objects seem to need to be of similar proportions to the sword itself. Both Kisuke Urahara and General Yamamoto, for example, disguise their Zanpakutō as canes, Yamamoto's as a large walking stick that dissolves on command to reveal his sheathed Zanpakutō, Urahara's as a shikomizue, a thin blade hidden within the hollow shaft of a cane.
Shinigami who are unable to communicate with their Zanpakutō, wield a nameless version known as Asauchi (浅打ち; literally, "shallow hit"), which refers to the grossly-reduced power of a Zanpakutō whose wielder cannot connect with it properly.[7]
Shikai
The Shikai (始解, Initial Release) is the second form (or first "upgraded" form) available to a Zanpakutō. To activate it, the Shinigami needs to learn the name of their Zanpakutō. This is not as easy as simply picking a name, as the living spirit of the Zanpakutō already has its own name. Therefore, the Shinigami must be able to communicate and harmonize with their Zanpakutō effectively, which requires being able to speak to the spirit within its world.
Achievement of the Shikai is a mark of control of a Zanpakutō, and it appears to be a requirement for advancement within the Shinigami ranks, as presumably most seated officers are capable of Shikai. It is also required in order to achieve the rank of lieutenant; it is a requirement most captains look for. After first learning the Zanpakutō's name, the Shikai can be performed at will simply by speaking a command followed by the Zanpakutō's name. The commands vary between users and range from a simple imperative verb to a short poem. They often relate to the Zanpakutō's signature ability, or hint at the nature of its spirit. This step may be bypassed by expert Shinigami who have learned how to use their Bankai. In rare cases, a Zanpakutō, once released, will remain in that state indefinitely. This is due to the vast amount of spiritual energy the possessor has that cannot be finely controlled upon initial generation of their Zanpakutō, as such the Zanpakutō is described as a constant released form. The only known Shinigami with Full-Time Release Zanpakutō are Ichigo Kurosaki and Kenpachi Zaraki. By the nature of this type of Zanpakutō, a Shinigami with a constant release form doesn't need a release command nor is it necessary to even know their Zanpakutō's name. However, not knowing the name of one's zanpakutō can put you at a disadvantage in terms of power against those who do know their Zanpakutō's name.
Once the Shikai is activated, the Zanpakutō will change form to access whatever special abilities it is capable of. The special abilities of the Zanpakutō, like the Zanpakutō itself, have specific names that usually must be announced to fully activate the effect. As Ichigo's Zanpakutō, Zangetsu, explains, knowing the name of an attack and not knowing it makes a very drastic difference in the amount of power that attack utilises.
Bankai
The Bankai (卍解, Final Release) is the second and final upgraded form of a Zanpakutō. To achieve it, one must be able to materialize their Zanpakutō's spirit in the real world and subjugate it, giving the Shinigami full reign over the zanpakutō's power.
According to Yoruichi Shihōin, the power of Bankai typically increases a Shinigami's power by a factor five to ten. Because such an act usually takes 100 or more years of combat experience beyond attaining Shikai for even the strongest Shinigami to achieve, it is rare and almost exclusively limited to the thirteen Captains in the Gotei 13.[8]Byakuya Kuchiki claims that among the four noble houses of Soul Society, only one person in several generations will be born with the spiritual power necessary to achieve it.[9] Even with this, several years of special training are needed to achieve Bankai, plus the experience needed to master it. Ichigo Kurosaki and Kisuke Urahara are the only known individuals that have mastered Bankai through a far shorter, yet much more dangerous method. Using a special device created by Urahara, which forcibly materializes a Zanpakutō spirit (thus bypassing a large portion of the training), they were able to attain their Bankai within three days instead of the normal hundreds of years. After successfully testing the device and achieving Bankai, Urahara stated that training by using this method for more than three consecutive days could prove to be fatal, which is why Ichigo was also forced to achieve his own Bankai within three days.[8]
Besides Ichigo Kurosaki, the only non-captain Shinigami known to have achieved Bankai are Renji Abarai (Lieutenant), who finalized his training at about the same time as Ichigo (although he did not use Urahara's device, but rather perfected it while Ichigo was training), and Ikkaku Madarame (3rd Seat), who did so through his own years of training.
After a Shinigami is able to materialize and subjugate their Zanpakutō's spirit, the Zanpakutō can assume its final and most powerful form. Unlike the Shikai, there is no command phrase to activate Bankai, though the user will usually say "Bankai" beforehand. A Zanpakutō's Bankai is often a manifestation of the spirit itself, usually creating a massive creature or a powerful effect to aid the user in battle (Ichigo's Bankai is an exception, becoming more compact instead). The Bankai itself will receive a different name in addition to the ordinary Zanpakutō (for example Ichigo's Zangetsu becomes Tensa Zangetsu, Byakuya's Senbonzakura becomes Senbonzakura Kageyoshi). Certain Shinigami also change with their Zanpakutō, gaining clothing similar to what their Zanpakutō's spirit form looks like. Most Zanpakutō will also gain additional special abilities, or a more enhanced version of the usual one. Like with the Shikai, most of these abilities have an associated name. Maintaining the Bankai is taxing for the wielder, and it is difficult to maintain it for long periods of time for most Shinigami, with the exception of Ichigo, as it becomes more compact, thus allowing him to hold it for long periods of time.
The power that comes with Bankai tends to be similar to the Shikai's ability/theme but amplifies it to much greater levels of power. Some simply increase the original ability, such as Byakuya's blade count multiplied, or Sajin Komamura, who instead of only getting pieces of the giant, summons the giant itself. While other Bankai follow the theme of the sword, such as Renji's remains a whip while containing baboon and cobra features, or Mayuri summons a monster with the same face (Jizō) on his trident, but kept the theme of poison that came from the monsters breath.
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You didn't need to just copy and paste the Wikipedia parts you think matter to the subject, I have read and re-read the page repeatedly. I do have another theory that it does not explore though. What if certain souls, strong souls, extremely strong, either become Souls like Hyounimaru as they enter the SS world or after they die as soul reapers? This would explain why prodigies like Hitsugaya are so rare, since anyone stronger would become a zanpaktou. This also explains why Ichigo got his Zanpaktou changed. His soul did die, though a fraction of a second later he returned to being a shinigami. This would mean his soul would have went to a spirit state, but then could have been bound back to him before entering soul society. As for Kenpachi, noone is sure exactly what he is, he could be a prodigy like Hitsugaya was or he could actually be like Ichigo and died, resurrected, and died again. This would send him straight to Soul Society instead of transforming him since, in a sense, he already transformed himself, at least that is what I think would happen. ^_^
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What I copied and pasted wasn't from wikipedia .com. its from a wikia which is made up completely different than wikipedia.
And I don't know about the powerful souls thing. It would be way to complicated and such if it were like that.
And I don't know about the powerful souls thing. It would be way to complicated and such if it were like that.
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Isn't it already complicated? I know, its from, if I am correct, Bleach.wikia.com, a wikipedia devoted to Bleach.
What I mean by isn't it complicated, is that each character has a different opinion of their Zanpaktou, even in private. And some are nearly nothing like their Zanpaktou at certain points.
For instance, We will use the most prominent cases of this, Soi Fon's bankai which is nothing like who she is, how she was raised, or anything. Unless you try to dig deep within Soi Fon's soul and view it as big and flashy like she wants to be to get Yoruichi's attention.
Another is Kazeshini and Hisagi, it shows that it is made for death, yet Hisage tries to stay away from things like Death, even using the Hyapoka thingy to hold the arrancar instead of simply killing him.
For another example we can Turn to Ikkaku, sure they are alike in that they both enjoy power, but Ikkaku is far from lazy or anything near it. If there is a fight he wants in on it, however his Zanpaktou must be woken up to enjoy the fight, essentially being opposites.
What I mean by isn't it complicated, is that each character has a different opinion of their Zanpaktou, even in private. And some are nearly nothing like their Zanpaktou at certain points.
For instance, We will use the most prominent cases of this, Soi Fon's bankai which is nothing like who she is, how she was raised, or anything. Unless you try to dig deep within Soi Fon's soul and view it as big and flashy like she wants to be to get Yoruichi's attention.
Another is Kazeshini and Hisagi, it shows that it is made for death, yet Hisage tries to stay away from things like Death, even using the Hyapoka thingy to hold the arrancar instead of simply killing him.
For another example we can Turn to Ikkaku, sure they are alike in that they both enjoy power, but Ikkaku is far from lazy or anything near it. If there is a fight he wants in on it, however his Zanpaktou must be woken up to enjoy the fight, essentially being opposites.
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His zanpakto has to be awaken for many reasons. Maybe its to 'weak' to be actually awakened? Who actually knows. And with Soi Fons bankai, maybe its to symbolize her strength and will power to get things done and to be like Yoruichi. Hisagi's zanpakto, Kazeshini, does represent death. But what if at some time, Hisagi was like that before he joined the soul reapers? Who actually knows but the creator?
Kira theorizes that Kazeshini is the manifestation of Shuhei's darker, more destructive feelings, formed from the stress of trying to suppress them.
Kira theorizes that Kazeshini is the manifestation of Shuhei's darker, more destructive feelings, formed from the stress of trying to suppress them.
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Possibly, but still, I find it odd that sometimes the Zanpaktou are so different if they are manifestations of the wielders soul.
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Its what makes them completley interesting and a complete twist. Remember when Soi Fon was younger when Yoruichi was a captain? She was energetic and hyper most of the time. That is what her bankai could symbolize, how she used to be or something. I don't know. Your bringing up good points about the bankais and stuff.
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Since we are on the subject of bankais, what do you think is ukitakes and shunshuis?
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Ukitake must have something to do with the whole creation thing. Subject: Sogyo no Kotowari. The twin zanpakto spirit. They had some kind of fan that when they held it together, they created two razor sharp fans. It may have something to do with that. However, with Shunsuis, I don't know. I didn't notice anything about his that could be his bankai. Unless there will be two of him. Lol, two shunsuis....run ladies!
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Oh jeez.. Two Shunshui's imagine playing tag with them?! That would be insanity incarnate. But I highly doubt Ukitake's will be creation personally. I think it will be more like he can transmit bodily damage to others by stabbing them. Like he nearly looses an arm, stabs himself and someone else, and the damage is transferred to the other person and he is healed xD
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